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    A Man Is Only As Good As His Word

    How Long Ago Did Bush Say

    mission Accomplished?

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    I think he was addressing the crew of a specific Air Craft Carrier about their mission.

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    How about this one..............

    Quote Originally Posted by bentangel View Post
    How Long Ago Did Bush Say

    mission Accomplished?
    "I unequivocally did not have sexual relations with that woman"

    or this one..........

    "I personally witnessed our boys committing atrocities in your country"

    or this one.............

    "I invented the internet"

    Anybody can take a statement out of context and make it say whatever they want. Get a little bit of education about how and why this war started. Then you can make a statement like that based on knowledge. Not just on conjecture. As JFN so eloquently stated, he was telling a particular crew of a particular boat that the mission that they were sent to do was accomplished. The mission was to defeat Saddam. Last I heard old Saddam is about 6 inches taller and about 6 feet lower than he was when he was in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bentangel View Post
    How Long Ago Did Bush Say

    mission Accomplished?
    I was wondering about the statement in your signature line.

    Who told you about the high road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bufordtpisser View Post
    "I unequivocally did not have sexual relations with that woman"

    or this one..........

    "I personally witnessed our boys committing atrocities in your country"

    or this one.............

    "I invented the internet"

    Anybody can take a statement out of context and make it say whatever they want. Get a little bit of education about how and why this war started. Then you can make a statement like that based on knowledge. Not just on conjecture. As JFN so eloquently stated, he was telling a particular crew of a particular boat that the mission that they were sent to do was accomplished. The mission was to defeat Saddam. Last I heard old Saddam is about 6 inches taller and about 6 feet lower than he was when he was in office.
    Those are very good points Buford. This thread, if it doesn't fall in to name calling, undue criticism, ect. could be a good one.

    The reason the British didn't have supersonic flight first is the Americans lied to them about swept wings. The CIA did their best to talk JFK into the Bay of Pigs. JFK denyed air cover. If Nikita Khrushchev had not seen the insanity and blinked, we all could be dead in a atomic waistland. Richard Nixon promised to have the Viet Nam war finished within nine months of being elected. The American public thought it would be more cool to vote for Ronald Reagan than his ally Ayatollah Khomeini. If the first George Bush would have finished Desert Storm......
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    MAY 1,2003

    ABOARD THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CNN) -- The following is an unedited transcript of President Bush's historic speech from the flight deck of the USS Lincoln, during which he declared an end to major combat in Iraq:

    Thank you. Thank you all very much.

    Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

    And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

    In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment, yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage, your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other made this day possible.

    Because of you our nation is more secure. Because of you the tyrant has fallen and Iraq is free.

    Operation Iraqi Freedom was carried out with a combination of precision and speed and boldness the enemy did not expect and the world had not seen before.

    From distant bases or ships at sea, we sent planes and missiles that could destroy an enemy division or strike a single bunker. Marines and soldiers charged to Baghdad across 350 miles of hostile ground in one of the swiftest advances of heavy arms in history.

    You have shown the world the skill and the might of the American armed forces.

    This nation thanks all of the members of our coalition who joined in a noble cause. We thank the armed forces of the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland who shared in the hardships of war. We thank all of the citizens of Iraq who welcomed our troops and joined in the liberation of their own country.

    And tonight, I have a special word for Secretary Rumsfeld, for General Franks and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States: America is grateful for a job well done.

    The character of our military through history, the daring of Normandy, the fierce courage of Iwo Jima, the decency and idealism that turned enemies into allies is fully present in this generation.

    When Iraqi civilians looked into the faces of our service men and women, they saw strength and kindness and good will. When I look at the members of the United States military, I see the best of our country and I am honored to be your commander in chief.

    In the images of fallen statues we have witnessed the arrival of a new era. For a hundred of years of war, culminating in the nuclear age, military technology was designed and deployed to inflict casualties on an ever-growing scale.

    In defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, Allied forces destroyed entire cities, while enemy leaders who started the conflict were safe until the final days. Military power was used to end a regime by breaking a nation.

    Today we have the greater power to free a nation by breaking a dangerous and aggressive regime.

    With new tactics and precision weapons, we can achieve military objectives without directing violence against civilians.

    No device of man can remove the tragedy from war, yet it is a great advance when the guilty have far more to fear from war than the innocent.

    In the images of celebrating Iraqis we have also seen the ageless appeal of human freedom. Decades of lies and intimidation could not make the Iraqi people love their oppressors or desire their own enslavement.

    Men and women in every culture need liberty like they need food and water and air. Everywhere that freedom arrives, humanity rejoices and everywhere that freedom stirs, let tyrants fear.

    We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We're pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated.

    We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools.

    And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people.

    The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.

    The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.

    That terrible morning, 19 evil men, the shock troops of a hateful ideology, gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the beginning of the end of America.

    By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve and force our retreat from the world.

    They have failed.

    In the battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists and the camps where they trained. We continue to help the Afghan people lay roads, restore hospitals and educate all of their children.

    Yet we also have dangerous work to complete. As I speak, a special operations task force lead by the 82nd Airborne is on the trail of the terrorists and those who seek to undermine the free government of Afghanistan.

    America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.

    From Pakistan to the Philippines to the Horn of Africa, we are hunting down Al Qaida killers.

    Nineteen months ago I pledged that the terrorists would not escape the patient justice of the United States. And as of tonight nearly one half of Al Qaida's senior operatives have been captured or killed.

    The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of Al Qaida and cut off a source of terrorist funding.

    And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.

    In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused and deliberate and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th, the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got.

    Our war against terror is proceeding according to the principles that I have made clear to all.

    Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country and a target of American justice.

    Any person, organization or government that supports, protects or harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and equally guilty of terrorist crimes. Any outlaw regime that has ties to terrorist groups and seeks or possesses weapons of mass destruction is a grave danger to the civilized world and will be confronted.

    And anyone in the world, including the Arab world, who works and sacrifices for freedom has a loyal friend in the United States of America.

    Our commitment to liberty is America's tradition, declared at our founding, affirmed in Franklin Roosevelt's Four Freedoms, asserted in the Truman Doctrine and in Ronald Reagan's challenge to an evil empire.

    We are committed to freedom in Afghanistan, Iraq and in a peaceful Palestine.

    The advance of freedom is the surest strategy to undermine the appeal of terror in the world. Where freedom takes hold, hatred gives way to hope.

    When freedom takes hold, men and women turn to the peaceful pursuit of a better life.

    American values and American interests lead in the same direction. We stand for human liberty.

    The United States upholds these principles of security and freedom in many ways: with all of the tools of diplomacy, law enforcement, intelligence and finance.

    We are working with a broad coalition of nations that understand the threat and our shared responsibility to meet it.

    The use of force has been and remains our last resort. Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.

    Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger.

    The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike.

    The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide.

    No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost; free nations will press on to victory.

    Other nations in history have fought in foreign lands and remained to occupy and exploit. Americans, following a battle, want nothing more than to return home. And that is your direction tonight.

    After service in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war, after 100,000 miles on the longest carrier deployment in recent history, you are homeward bound.

    Some of you will see new family members for the first time; 150 babies were born while their fathers were on the Lincoln. Your families are proud of you, and your nation will welcome you.

    We are mindful as well that some good men and women are not making the journey home. One of those who fell, Corporal Jason Mileo, spoke to his parents five days before his death. Jason's father said, "He called us from the center of Baghdad, not to brag but to tell us he loved us. Our son was a soldier."

    Every name, every life is a loss to our military, to our nation and to the loved ones who grieve. There is no homecoming for these families. Yet we pray in God's time their reunion will come.

    Those we lost were last seen on duty.

    Their final act on this Earth was to fight a great evil and bring liberty to others.

    All of you, all in this generation of our military, have taken up the highest calling of history: You were defending your country and protecting the innocent from harm.

    And wherever you go, you carry a message of hope, a message that is ancient and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "To the captives, come out; and to those in darkness, be free."

    Thank you for serving our country and our cause.

    May God bless you all. And may God continue to bless America.

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    Pssssssssssst Goober, Could you be a dear and highlight everywhere in that speech "mission accomplished" appears. I cannot for the life of me find it anywhere in the text.

    As a matter of fact, could you just highlight the word "mission" everywhere it appears. I found it twice, here is the first one;

    The use of force has been and remains our last resort. Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.
    here is the other one

    Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.
    There it is again, but WAIT! No "accomplished" it actually says "continues"

    con·tin·ue (kən-tĭn'yōō) Pronunciation Key
    v. con·tin·ued, con·tin·u·ing, con·tin·ues

    v. intr.

    To go on with a particular action or in a particular condition; persist.
    To exist over a prolonged period; last.
    To remain in the same state, capacity, or place: She continued as mayor for a second term.
    To go on after an interruption; resume: The negotiations continued after a break for lunch.

    v. tr.

    To carry forward; persist in: The police will continue their investigation.
    To carry further in time, space, or development; extend.
    To cause to remain or last; retain.
    To carry on after an interruption; resume.
    Law To postpone or adjourn.
    Damn it doesn't mean "over" or "stopped".

    This isn't looking good for your argument. Hmmmmmmmm I think you should stick with your cartoons, it is a bit more your speed, intellectually speaking of course.

    P.S. I apologize to any cartoon characters who may be offended by my comparison.

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    You are soo right.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by c.crawford View Post
    Those are very good points Buford. This thread, if it doesn't fall in to name calling, undue criticism, ect. could be a good one.

    The reason the British didn't have supersonic flight first is the Americans lied to them about swept wings. The CIA did their best to talk JFK into the Bay of Pigs. JFK denyed air cover. If Nikita Khrushchev had not seen the insanity and blinked, we all could be dead in a atomic waistland. Richard Nixon promised to have the Viet Nam war finished within nine months of being elected. The American public thought it would be more cool to vote for Ronald Reagan than his ally Ayatollah Khomeini. If the first George Bush would have finished Desert Storm......
    The word politician in and of it's own has come to mean nothing but liar. Have some lied more than others?? Yes they have. Has George Bush Jr. lied more than others?? Yes he has. But he has also lied less than some of his immediate predecessors. Statements without facts to back them up are conjecture. Conjecture is just opinion without corroborating facts. So if the opinion of the original poster is that GWB lied to us, she is probably correct. But I personally believe that she is trying to make a point using totally irrelevant made up facts. It may behoove the original poster to stop reading and start listening. Listen to what they have all said. Look at what they have all done or did not do that got us in this situation. Look at what we have as candidates in the upcoming election and then vote for the ones most qualified to get us out of this mess and not just along party lines.

    My grandmother used to have a saying that went like this. "Put your brain in gear before you put your mouth in motion". So BA, stop idling you brain while drivel is spewing out of your mouth. This is just a suggestion that may lend towards obtaining some credibility on this board and in life in general. Speak as an expert on subjects that you are an expert in. In those subjects where you lack knowledge, sit back and listen or research your topic. It will go a long way towards keeping you from getting flamed because of comments that do not have a basis in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Pssssssssssst Goober, Could you be a dear and highlight everywhere in that speech "mission accomplished" appears. I cannot for the life of me find it anywhere in the text.

    As a matter of fact, could you just highlight the word "mission" everywhere it appears. I found it twice, here is the first one;



    here is the other one



    There it is again, but WAIT! No "accomplished" it actually says "continues"



    Damn it doesn't mean "over" or "stopped".

    This isn't looking good for your argument. Hmmmmmmmm I think you should stick with your cartoons, it is a bit more your speed, intellectually speaking of course.

    P.S. I apologize to any cartoon characters who may be offended by my comparison.
    Good points. Overboard presentation, but the points are valid.

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    I disagree, there is no one named Goober in this forum. BA could be refering to BayAngel, who was eaten by trolls. There was another equally hateful post made within minutes. No one interfered when a few members were having fun with bumper stickers. Many attempts have been made to hatefully ruin many threads. I went back and read those closed threads carefully. My posts did not cause so much as a ripple. When BayAngel wandered in, the trolls smelled blood and tore that grandmother up viciously. There is a whole lot of difference between trading barbs and being a troll. A troll won't trade barbs, they just behave maliciously and in packs if posible.

    It is not Colon Powell's war. It isn't Dr. Rice war. Congress that was suckered into WMD, it isn't their war. It is George Bush daddy's war.
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